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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby pes phill » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:17 pm

estebanrey wrote:I think we need to be careful about what we wish for. I may be alone here but I can’t stand Football Manager and would hate the ML to because a playable version of it because when I play Pro Evo I want to PLAY, not spend hours doing administration.

Let me clarify, when I say I “hate” FM, I mean I like the idea of it, I like doing transfers, offering salaries etc; I can even put up with having to experiment with various formations and tactics but where I get frustrated (or should I say bored) is with the millions of other “little things” you need to do like training, press interviews that can affect your game, sponsorship deals and so on….I just find it all a chore and I know some FM fans are even asking for a more automated version where the boring stuff is done for you.

I’m all for realism but let’s not forget it’s game. If I was offered the choice between the current ML and an ultra-realistic one where you have to consider sponsorship deals, ground staff wages etc and where you spend more time doing admin than you do playing, I would prefer the original.


Good point!

They could use a similar sytem to FIFA. You hire fitness coach's, stadium manager's, trainer's, dietician's, medical team's, scout's etc to do the boring jobs. The better/more efficient they are the more they cost. Simple.

I love master league but the best parts are, watching your young players develop and replace past "stars". The only way to develop players is by playing football. You want to feel like your playing the game not like you're working.

Remember this is a football simulation game not a manager simulation game. If you like the depth of management, buy a manager game instead!

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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby AaB-Dane » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:33 pm

estebanrey wrote:I think we need to be careful about what we wish for. I may be alone here but I can’t stand Football Manager and would hate the ML to because a playable version of it because when I play Pro Evo I want to PLAY, not spend hours doing administration.

Let me clarify, when I say I “hate” FM, I mean I like the idea of it, I like doing transfers, offering salaries etc; I can even put up with having to experiment with various formations and tactics but where I get frustrated (or should I say bored) is with the millions of other “little things” you need to do like training, press interviews that can affect your game, sponsorship deals and so on….I just find it all a chore and I know some FM fans are even asking for a more automated version where the boring stuff is done for you.

I’m all for realism but let’s not forget it’s game. If I was offered the choice between the current ML and an ultra-realistic one where you have to consider sponsorship deals, ground staff wages etc and where you spend more time doing admin than you do playing, I would prefer the original.


Totally agree - I just think it would be nice if there was some way other than the match and end of season bonuses to make some extra money during the season. Say gate receipts from each match that reflect your current form - the better results in a row, the more income from more fans attending your games. And the better your rating (A-B-C-D) the less vulnerable you are to this (seeing as major clubs like Manchester United and Chelsea that are always sold out, are less impacted by this).

But all in all, you're right, Konami are probably best off keeping it simple for now and then evolving the ML in coming years with features like these if it's what the fans want.
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby nick_cave » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:29 pm

Totally disagree, they can make a true Sim manager side to the game (though they never will as long as they have a separate title), with almost as much detail as FM; there are ways of making it as hands on or hands off as you like. As well as including the original ML as an option...
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby STC1984 » Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:15 am

estebanrey wrote:I think we need to be careful about what we wish for. I may be alone here but I can’t stand Football Manager and would hate the ML to because a playable version of it because when I play Pro Evo I want to PLAY, not spend hours doing administration.

Let me clarify, when I say I “hate” FM, I mean I like the idea of it, I like doing transfers, offering salaries etc; I can even put up with having to experiment with various formations and tactics but where I get frustrated (or should I say bored) is with the millions of other “little things” you need to do like training, press interviews that can affect your game, sponsorship deals and so on….I just find it all a chore and I know some FM fans are even asking for a more automated version where the boring stuff is done for you.

I’m all for realism but let’s not forget it’s game. If I was offered the choice between the current ML and an ultra-realistic one where you have to consider sponsorship deals, ground staff wages etc and where you spend more time doing admin than you do playing, I would prefer the original.


I would have to disagree with you, If you dont like the managerial aspects of football in a game, just play exhibition mode, cup mode, online, etc. I think if konami is going to introduce a Master league mode they should do it right and try to put all the managerial aspects they can, otherwise is just a mediocre mode.
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby shoot-to » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:28 am

estebanrey wrote:I think we need to be careful about what we wish for. I may be alone here but I can’t stand Football Manager and would hate the ML to because a playable version of it because when I play Pro Evo I want to PLAY, not spend hours doing administration.

Let me clarify, when I say I “hate” FM, I mean I like the idea of it, I like doing transfers, offering salaries etc; I can even put up with having to experiment with various formations and tactics but where I get frustrated (or should I say bored) is with the millions of other “little things” you need to do like training, press interviews that can affect your game, sponsorship deals and so on….I just find it all a chore and I know some FM fans are even asking for a more automated version where the boring stuff is done for you.

I’m all for realism but let’s not forget it’s game. If I was offered the choice between the current ML and an ultra-realistic one where you have to consider sponsorship deals, ground staff wages etc and where you spend more time doing admin than you do playing, I would prefer the original.


This is a difficult one. I was one of the many fans asking for a big revamp in ML mode and adding more realistic managerial aspects to the game. But you made a very good point with what you written. I have never played a FM game in my life, i was never really attracted by it. I play the ML because i enjoy building a team, buying players, winning the league and cups. If i had to deal with all the admin work that goes with a manager it does seem quite daunting when all i want to do is play the next match, which is a cup final against for example Real Madrid.
I think if Konami adds too much managerial aspects to ML it could hinder the game and if i'm honest i really would not want to go through a set of stats, admin work, traning sessions, just so that i can play the next match. But in saying that i'm definitely not saying Konami should leave the ML as it is, it seriously does need something added to it and i don't just mean implementing Europa, CL, better transfer or real currency, it needs abit more than that. But lets hope Konami can strike a balance to satisfy those who enjoy the hardcore managerial side and those who enjoy playing aswell.
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby England » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:45 am

estebanrey wrote:I think we need to be careful about what we wish for. I may be alone here but I can’t stand Football Manager and would hate the ML to because a playable version of it because when I play Pro Evo I want to PLAY, not spend hours doing administration.

Let me clarify, when I say I “hate” FM, I mean I like the idea of it, I like doing transfers, offering salaries etc; I can even put up with having to experiment with various formations and tactics but where I get frustrated (or should I say bored) is with the millions of other “little things” you need to do like training, press interviews that can affect your game, sponsorship deals and so on….I just find it all a chore and I know some FM fans are even asking for a more automated version where the boring stuff is done for you.

I’m all for realism but let’s not forget it’s game. If I was offered the choice between the current ML and an ultra-realistic one where you have to consider sponsorship deals, ground staff wages etc and where you spend more time doing admin than you do playing, I would prefer the original.


I agree.
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby medley » Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:43 am

Revamping the ML mode doesn't necessary mean adding in hundreds of little mundane tasks like looking for sponsorship deals. I think they just need to look at the current systems in place right now (transfer system, player development, league structure) and just get these right. Then they can look to the future to implement additional features that keep the mode fresh that don't hinder the fun factor. ML will never be as detailed as FM as thats not what they game is about.
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby pla » Tue Jun 30, 2009 2:23 pm

people go on about wanting to control sponsorship deals and stadium expansion but in reality managers have nothing to do with thiss.
all you should havce to control is transfers, contracts, trainign and maybe press interviews.
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby Lami » Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:51 pm

England wrote:
I agree.

You're not a man of many words are you? ;)
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby England » Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:20 pm

Lami wrote:
England wrote:
I agree.

You're not a man of many words are you? ;)


His thoughts are similar to mine. There's nothing else to say.
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby gold132 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:29 am

Maybe the solution is to have two seperate modes. The basic format (league structure,Euro qualification) could be almost identical but one mode could be more similar to the current Master League. The Master League could be revamped into a more realistic mode more focused on reality with more managerial tasks. While another mode could be made called Fantasy Mode which would retain the roots of the Master League with more of a fantasy element (Castolo, PES points and all that)

Personaly i know which mode i'd play. I want the Master League to be as realistic as possible and i think the fantasy element is dated and most fans want realism before fantasy ;)
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby hiquekb » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:33 am

gold132 wrote:Maybe the solution is to have two seperate modes. The basic format (league structure,Euro qualification) could be almost identical but one mode could be more similar to the current Master League. The Master League could be revamped into a more realistic mode more focused on reality with more managerial tasks. While another mode could be made called Fantasy Mode which would retain the roots of the Master League with more of a fantasy element (Castolo, PES points and all that)

Personaly i know which mode i'd play. I want the Master League to be as realistic as possible and i think the fantasy element is dated and most fans want realism before fantasy ;)


well said
i'd play the realistic mode too.. i would really like a "REAL" ML... with real currency, sponsorship, with, like you said, more managerial tasks
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby skiamakia » Wed Jul 01, 2009 12:46 pm

pla wrote:people go on about wanting to control sponsorship deals and stadium expansion but in reality managers have nothing to do with thiss.
all you should havce to control is transfers, contracts, trainign and maybe press interviews.


yeah, i would add just youth players developing system (sm like that) ;)

or solution could be rich options before starting the mode , where you choose what to manage :)
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby pla » Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:32 pm

gold132 wrote:Maybe the solution is to have two seperate modes. The basic format (league structure,Euro qualification) could be almost identical but one mode could be more similar to the current Master League. The Master League could be revamped into a more realistic mode more focused on reality with more managerial tasks. While another mode could be made called Fantasy Mode which would retain the roots of the Master League with more of a fantasy element (Castolo, PES points and all that)

Personaly i know which mode i'd play. I want the Master League to be as realistic as possible and i think the fantasy element is dated and most fans want realism before fantasy ;)


yeh that would be great
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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby pjft » Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:35 am

My major fear with these news is - as I've already expressed in evo-web - whether or not it'll make for a fun experience.

I mean, it's fine if you want to play top teams, but I'm not really sure everyone understands the implications of having real currency there. That will mean that you will no longer be able to hire youngsters to your bottom of the league team at 300 points wages and 2000 transfer points, and stars at 1500 points wages and 9000 transfer points. Now the ranges will be much more elastic: youngsters at 500k-1m€ transfer and 20k wages, while superstars at 80m and 200k wages.

How will the small teams compete in this market with their small budgets of a few tens of thousands completely eludes me - I never like to play with top teams. I mean, if winning the CL will give them 20m, for instance, how many CLs will I have to win to even begin affording a single star player if I want him to join my ranks? OR will I now have bank loans <shudder>?

Lets see if it still makes for a fun experience...

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Re: Real currency in Pes 2010 Master League

Postby Alexander » Fri Jul 03, 2009 11:58 am

pjft wrote:My major fear with these news is - as I've already expressed in evo-web - whether or not it'll make for a fun experience.

I mean, it's fine if you want to play top teams, but I'm not really sure everyone understands the implications of having real currency there. That will mean that you will no longer be able to hire youngsters to your bottom of the league team at 300 points wages and 2000 transfer points, and stars at 1500 points wages and 9000 transfer points. Now the ranges will be much more elastic: youngsters at 500k-1m€ transfer and 20k wages, while superstars at 80m and 200k wages.

How will the small teams compete in this market with their small budgets of a few tens of thousands completely eludes me - I never like to play with top teams. I mean, if winning the CL will give them 20m, for instance, how many CLs will I have to win to even begin affording a single star player if I want him to join my ranks? OR will I now have bank loans <shudder>?

Lets see if it still makes for a fun experience...

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It would only make sense to imcrease the ammount of money we earn to even it out. But if the gap between small and big teams to spend is larger, then I'm all for prolonging my journey to the top of the league by creeping slowly.

I play best with average to good players anyway, so I'm fine. Once I get a few good players then I'm set, and it's just smooth sailing.
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