FSB Podcast Discussion

[WILDSTER180774]

so Weepeler what do you think of Adams comments about 360 not being that great? And have you tried out the new set piece editior yet and if so what are your thoughts on that please.?

Adam is the only person who's not been enamoured with the 360 dribbling, every other preview I've read has said it makes a massive difference. I think though if your more a Pro Evo man, which Adam would undoubtedly admit, you're going to prefer the 8 directions and 'rails' feel of PES.

360 movement is definitely going to be truer to life, again with Fifa being more of a sim than PES maybe that explains Adam not taking to it.

Lovely, you got me figured out.

You guys make me laugh sometimes. I never said 360 was rubbish, I said it wasn't game changing. i said it looked amazing, but didn't do enough to change the game. Suff agrees.

But hey, coz I said it something that isn't 'OMG ITS ACE', even though Suff didn't either, we have to have a dig. But its cool, opinions are opinions.

I thought Suff said that in the first build he played he couldnt really feel it but after spending to days in Canada with the later build he thought it was amazing....or am i mistaken?

Adam, im not having a go, i respect your opinion just as much as the next man. Like football, virtual or real, its a game of opinions and come October we will have the opportunity to make our own judgement. Going back to your podcast comments though i was suprised when you said that the set piece creator would be something you wouldnt bother with, why is that?

[Adam]

I thought Suff said that in the first build he played he couldnt really feel it but after spending to days in Canada with the later build he thought it was amazing....or am i mistaken?

Adam, im not having a go, i respect your opinion just as much as the next man. Like football, virtual or real, its a game of opinions and come October we will have the opportunity to make our own judgement. Going back to your podcast comments though i was suprised when you said that the set piece creator would be something you wouldnt bother with, why is that?

Suff said they would never introduce a feature into the game that would break it. Meaning, the 360 degree dribbling doesn't go too far away from 09's feel. Like I said, I played 6 matches in FIFA 10 and I won 5 of them, and I played it just like 09. If you loved FIFA 09, then you'll adore FIFA 10. Just don't expect a revolution from last year - they don't need to do that anyway.

The good news is that the interview you see on the site if from a later build, so there's a good chance they've tweaked many things. Me and Suff didn't see any of what has been spoken about in the feature, at least not to that degree. With that I'm hopeful for the dribbling, if they've sorted it then its gonna be huge!

And the set piece creator is something all the journo's agreed with. It was a novelty feature, but not something that grabbed any of us. Saying that, people who specifically buy FIFA and put months and months into it will adore it.

[WILDSTER180774]

Will you get to try out a later build before Gamescom? And if so any chance of taking Chris with you?

[Adam]

Will you get to try out a later build before Gamescom? And if so any chance of taking Chris with you?

It's priority for us right now to get Chris to play the game, but unfortunately its unknown when we can play it next.

[WILDSTER180774]

well thats good to hear and also good to see you posting on fsb.

[Cellini 16]

Lovely, you got me figured out.

You guys make me laugh sometimes. I never said 360 was rubbish, I said it wasn't game changing. i said it looked amazing, but didn't do enough to change the game. Suff agrees.

But hey, coz I said it something that isn't 'OMG ITS ACE', even though Suff didn't either, we have to have a dig. But its cool, opinions are opinions.

Hey calm down, I wasn't having a dig I was actually trying to explain on your behalf! You would be the first to admit that you favour PES's style of play, you've said it yourself?! So why are you going to be thrilled with a feature (360 degrees dribbling) which is entirely at odds with PES's 8 directional rails system, that you are clearly a fan of? It's simple, I'm just trying to point out the reason for such conflicting reports thats all! No dig at all mate, I respect the work you put in and am truly grateful that you do so, I'm just giving another view thats all. No biggity.

Same with the set piece editor - personally speaking as a long time reader I will reserve judgement - true it could be a load of bobbins, but even just the ability to trigger a few runs (rather than the static, unrealistic set piece play of BOTH titles) could be good.

[barrym]

@ Cellini 16- do you honestly think that FIFA10 is going to be 100% 360 movement, and that you can change your movement by say 1 degree? its probably pseudo 360 degree movement.
and if you're not having a go at Adam, then why would you say if your more a Pro Evo man, which Adam would undoubtedly admit, you're going to prefer the 8 directions and 'rails' feel of PES.? you're labelling him as biased

[Cellini 16]

@ Cellini 16- do you honestly think that FIFA10 is going to be 100% 360 movement, and that you can change your movement by say 1 degree? its probably pseudo 360 degree movement.
and if you're not having a go at Adam, then why would you say if your more a Pro Evo man, which Adam would undoubtedly admit, you're going to prefer the 8 directions and 'rails' feel of PES.? you're labelling him as biased

Well yes, I have no reason to suspect otherwise? Surely if it was pseudo 360 degree movement, every journo worth their salt would've jumped straight on that?

I'm not saying he's biased, please dont put words in my mouth - I am simply saying as confessed PES fan (just as I was until the next gen series), Adam is understandably going to favour the layout/approach whatever you call it of PES - 360 degrees deviates from that, so perhaps, just maybe, that would explain him not taking to it. You have to remember, they play these games in unusual conditions, they dont get to find their way as the average home gamer does, they are expected to give an opinion and as Adam/Suff/any journo admits, they would need to play it far more to get a true impression, they can only give their first impressions, and for that we are very grateful.

[G7SEV]

Ok lad's let's leave it there thanks.

[Adam]

Hey calm down, I wasn't having a dig I was actually trying to explain on your behalf! You would be the first to admit that you favour PES's style of play, you've said it yourself?! So why are you going to be thrilled with a feature (360 degrees dribbling) which is entirely at odds with PES's 8 directional rails system, that you are clearly a fan of? It's simple, I'm just trying to point out the reason for such conflicting reports thats all! No dig at all mate, I respect the work you put in and am truly grateful that you do so, I'm just giving another view thats all. No biggity.

Same with the set piece editor - personally speaking as a long time reader I will reserve judgement - true it could be a load of bobbins, but even just the ability to trigger a few runs (rather than the static, unrealistic set piece play of BOTH titles) could be good.

Sorry dude my bad.

I guess I get a bit defensive when it comes to people criticising what I say about FIFA, because I think FIFA 10 is ace - but anything I'm a bit down on everyone jumps all over.

On the PS2, PES's 8 way wasn't limiting at all (imo), I always felt assured when in possession and felt free as the animations masked the directions well. Next-gen has brought a lot of rigidness to PES, and gave it that robotic feel.

PES 2010 is the first game on next-gen to have more animations than the PS2 version, so I feel we'll have that element of freedom.

360 dribbling was ace, but the feeling wasn't what I expected. There's lots of different animations in between movements that took time to acts out, but if the last 30% of developments is focused on fine tuning stuff like that then FIFA 10 is going to be very appealing to PES fans too.

[Cellini 16]

Hey calm down, I wasn't having a dig I was actually trying to explain on your behalf! You would be the first to admit that you favour PES's style of play, you've said it yourself?! So why are you going to be thrilled with a feature (360 degrees dribbling) which is entirely at odds with PES's 8 directional rails system, that you are clearly a fan of? It's simple, I'm just trying to point out the reason for such conflicting reports thats all! No dig at all mate, I respect the work you put in and am truly grateful that you do so, I'm just giving another view thats all. No biggity.

Same with the set piece editor - personally speaking as a long time reader I will reserve judgement - true it could be a load of bobbins, but even just the ability to trigger a few runs (rather than the static, unrealistic set piece play of BOTH titles) could be good.

Sorry dude my bad.

I guess I get a bit defensive when it comes to people criticising what I say about FIFA, because I think FIFA 10 is ace - but anything I'm a bit down on everyone jumps all over.

On the PS2, PES's 8 way wasn't limiting at all (imo), I always felt assured when in possession and felt free as the animations masked the directions well. Next-gen has brought a lot of rigidness to PES, and gave it that robotic feel.

PES 2010 is the first game on next-gen to have more animations than the PS2 version, so I feel we'll have that element of freedom.

360 dribbling was ace, but the feeling wasn't what I expected. There's lots of different animations in between movements that took time to acts out, but if the last 30% of developments is focused on fine tuning stuff like that then FIFA 10 is going to be very appealing to PES fans too.

Thats cool man, I know you get a lot of flak (or at least did in the old blog days) from divs who couldnt say more than 'omg you pes fanboy suxxorrrr !!!!!111 one one one', I know you call it as you see it and I respect that.

The last PES on the PS2 I bought (Pro Evo 5, i think? maybe 6 I cant remember) for me was the absolute nuts of a football game, they'd got it 'just' right from a gameplay point of view. Its the next gen ones as you say that have felt a bit like the rails, 2008 especially.

As it is, I'm stoked about both titles at the minute, the previews are both really favourable and my personal favourite modes, Manager Mode and Master League, both seem to have had a lot of work on them. It good for us, the consumer, that there are two quality titles battling out (which couldnt be said until 2008 onwards really), they'll be challenging each other to improve, and dare I say it 'nab' bits off each other (Fifa definitely has taken a lot from Pro Evo over the years). I cant wait personally!

So in summary, ignore the h8rzz', 99.99% of us appreciate the hard work and effort you put in to get us news on both titles, keep up the good work man!

[Adam]

So in summary, ignore the h8rzz', 99.99% of us appreciate the hard work and effort you put in to get us news on both titles, keep up the good work man!

Cheers fella

[Nanny]

So in summary, ignore the h8rzz', 99.99% of us appreciate the hard work and effort you put in to get us news on both titles, keep up the good work man!

Cheers fella

Hey adam what was the 'skilled dribbling' like? No one has really spoken about it because i was hoping that it combined with 360 degree would be awesome

[WILDSTER180774]

Chris, when is the next podcast taking place? And whats the latest on you getting a playtest?

[Chris Davies]

Chris, when is the next podcast taking place? And whats the latest on you getting a playtest?

Soon (no specific date, I'm waiting until I have a strong opinion about something ), and God only knows. Perhaps I should start an FSB Chris Davies Playtest Petition thread on the EA forums, haha.

[s_b]

@ Cellini 16- do you honestly think that FIFA10 is going to be 100% 360 movement, and that you can change your movement by say 1 degree? its probably pseudo 360 degree movement.
and if you're not having a go at Adam, then why would you say if your more a Pro Evo man, which Adam would undoubtedly admit, you're going to prefer the 8 directions and 'rails' feel of PES.? you're labelling him as biased

Can you, barrym, turn 1 degree in reall life, be it you walking or running? If yes, then how do you measure that?
If no, why expect a computer model to be designed in such a way that you can even see 1, 2 or 13 degree turning?

And please elaborate, what do you mean by pseudo 360?

Just curious. . .

[Chris Davies]

@ Cellini 16- do you honestly think that FIFA10 is going to be 100% 360 movement, and that you can change your movement by say 1 degree? its probably pseudo 360 degree movement.
and if you're not having a go at Adam, then why would you say if your more a Pro Evo man, which Adam would undoubtedly admit, you're going to prefer the 8 directions and 'rails' feel of PES.? you're labelling him as biased

Can you, barrym, turn 1 degree in reall life, be it you walking or running? If yes, then how do you measure that?
If no, why expect a computer model to be designed in such a way that you can even see 1, 2 or 13 degree turning?

And please elaborate, what do you mean by pseudo 360?

Just curious. . .

While I see what you mean, you don't move in 45 degree angles either or you'd look like you were moving around on a zig-zag Scalectrix track.

If you moved around at increments of ANY angle (10, 20 etc.), it would begin to look robotic and unnatural after a few matches. So if you move at a 14 degree angle at one point, then a 22 degree angle at the next, it would look a lot better - and I'm hoping that's how it is.

[danshankill09]

just listened to the most latest FSB podcast yous didnt talk much about fifa 10 just newcastle

[Chris Davies]

The new podcast has been uploaded!

This week's podcast (CLICK HERE TO LISTEN) is a quick chat about the leaked video and a long look at why I won't be playing FIFA 09 ever again.

As always we will read the forums between podcasts and all the best discussions will be given a mention, so if you have anything to say on the subject(s) please let us know. If you agree with us, disagree with us, want to correct us on something, or want to add something that's important, tell us and listen out for a mention next time.

Thanks guys.

[Chris Davies]

For those who listen to the new podcast, I've just read a post on another forum which puts perfectly the reasons why I can't play FIFA 09 any more, and why I can't wait for FIFA 10. I wish it had been posted sooner so that I could have put it into the podcast itself...

All of this stuff is the kind of thing I'll be looking out for in our next FIFA 10 playtest.

I hold the close control button and attempt to dribble, and a 6-stone midget knocks my 15-stone striker off the ball with ease.

I punt a long ball forward, the 4ft midget out-jumps my 6ft striker.

When my players are tackled, they stumble away from the ball like idiots, while the slide-tackling CPU has time for a nap, before getting up and away with the ball.

When I press and hold the pressure button, my striker runs from the other half of the field to press, but a guy close to the ball carrier watches as he glides past.

When I select a defender, he stops, letting the attacker go clear before feebly running after him - still losing ground from someone dribbling.

I try to take it round a player, his momentum means nothing as he instantly changes direction, sticks a leg out and comes away with the ball, my players momentum takes them way past the attacker, letting him get away. On the odd occasion I do tackle, the ball is merely kicked away, straight to an opposition player.

A corner is floated into my box, my defender, having never controlled a ball before, chests it so hard, it bounce away at 100mph to the striker, who taps it home.