Penalty ideas for PES2011

[DavidWheatersChin]

Following Adam's article earlier, i thought I would repost my suggesting from around this time last year regarding penalties. I know I for one would prefer them to stay as they are rather than go back to how they were on the N64.

We all know that penalties are a lottery and that is made even more evidently so on PES2010. There seems to be no continuity as to where the pens go ie one pen you can have the ball go horribly wide whereas the next pen will barely go in the corner.

Thus I have come up with a solution and it doesn't include the target system implemented on the Wii version (or N64). These are as follows;

(note I have a PS3 so all buttons are for that console as I dont know 360 config)

1) Using different buttons for a different type of penalty. Eveyone knows on FIFA you can chip it, place it, power it etc so why can't PES do this? FIFA use the top buttons for this but if your playing multiplayer offline then the person sat next to you can see if your using L1 R1 etc. Instead, why not use (for example) square for a normal pen, circle for a sidefooted pen, triangle for a power shot and x for a dink. We need this variety.

2) The Goalkeepers need to be able to move more freely before the ball is struck. It currently feels a bit forced and stiff at the minute. Also, keepers should be able to move as the player runs up to strike the ball.

3) We all know that players run up to the ball differently. C.Ronaldo stops, starts and stops about ten times before he strikes the ball How about using L2/R2 to shimmy and try and trick the goalkepper into diving before the ball is struck? The better technique of the player the better the chance of him scoring ie Ronaldo more likely to score like this than Metzelder.

4) This one is a bit daft but would be a nice incusion. How about using the right analogue stick before the pen to look at a certain corner/direction thus trying to again trick the goalkeeper.

5) The goalkeepers should be able to flick out a leg/arm instinctively if the ball is near them. We have all had penalties on PES where we thought we had saved but the ball has trickled under the keeper. How about being able to dive as usual with the left stick, but we could flick the right stick instinctively if we've dived too far/not high enough/not far enough in the corner and attempt to save instead of watching the ball sail past

This is my list. If anyone has any other ideas feel free to add them.

Regards

[szuwi1]

Nice ideas, for me it should be something obvious, but KONAMI are blind and stupid. Probably they do not know what FOOTBALL is (maybe they did when made ISS series, there wa a magic and soul). Sorry, but there is a lot obvious things not included in this game. According to penalties, sterring is now too hard, not adequate to real difficulty of taking penalties. I think when you want to shot should be make ba anlog stick, giving possibility to play where you want (+ shaking head to fake GK as you mentioned = great fun). I like you ideas, definitely should be included making penalties as great minigame indeed. Maybe this way of taking penalty should be included: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Gi98iEziKQ
I would add also posibbility not only moving GK before shot but even moment of intervention before shot. Maybe it would be comic sometimes, but would give you a lot of possibilities to save penalty.

[szuwi1]

...and maybe American Penalty knowing from Major League Soccer could be an option?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HD1OH-qins couldnt find official game penalty taken in this way

[gerasimos]

penaltys on pes10 are bad......fix them!we want better penalty system!if u cant do many there,do them like the other pes or find a better system for them but dont make them like pes10.

[arakouftaian]

The Penalty in PES10 is the worse feature ever

why to touch what was perfect before?

the only way to improve the old way to shoot a penalty kick
is adding more momentum to it
slow down the time or something like that
go fp view will work fine for penal kick mode.

[Grimm]

- simplify direction in which one wants to send the ball
- left and down = ball goes left bottom corner, placement should be kept simple

- introduce power gauge for penalty shoots
- if you fill the gauge to far, ball goes wide
- if you fill the gauge to low, ball goes on target but with less power
- proper amount of gauge means a decent powered shoot, on target

- Using David's first point for a desired type of shoot (great idea, btw)

- simplify direction in which one wants to dive with the goal keeper
- left and down = keeper dives to cover the left bottom corner
- allow complete freedom of movement of goal keepers on the line
- benefits are obvious
- selecting the right corner and moving closer to it just before the shoot comes
- greater the chance of a save

- if the shooter selected a corner and the keeper is on his way of diving there, shooter should be allowed to change direction of his shoot at the cost of accuracy
- meaning, ball doesn't go as close to the post as it would on the original run

- if the keeper dives LEFT DOWN but the shooter send the ball LEFT or LEFT UP
- goal keeper can still reach out and try to intercept the ball (goal keepers do that)
- depending on the power of the shoot, guessing the wrong corner but the right side could still result in a save
- that should be influenced by the power of the shoot and the goal keepers attributes

[The Verve-atov]

Player should be able to choose how to kick a penalty kick, not only where to take it!

Heres one example of a hard kick with the shoe laces
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJMPt3snkms

Here's with the inner foot but also hard. Replay at the 50 second mark shows it well, and... emm... excuse the narrator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7SovuoWt2E

Inner foot soft kick
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnlHMV5sVoA

these are the basics, now...

Close angle & Chip shot (same video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYSFxSggJcY

This are some of the ways to take a pk, and I think the addition of these kicking animations would set the bar for pks in the years to come. The other important thing is how you run towards the ball. In PES 2010 every player runs and kicks the ball the exact same way, they should bring back the Ronaldinho style, the Totti style, the Roberto Carlos, The Beckham, the Del Piero, etc. You get my point.

[gold132]

we need to be able to do a cheeky chip shot..
if you can do a chip shot during the game why not in a penalty too??
just holding L1 while shooting would be enough..obviously your player would have to be good to be able to pull it off properly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=947sUP_d ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JsJuhzMynk

[pesdg97]

The Penalty in PES10 is the worse feature ever

why to touch what was perfect before?

the only way to improve the old way to shoot a penalty kick
is adding more momentum to it
slow down the time or something like that
go fp view will work fine for penal kick mode.

yh in pes 2010 is much harder to score

[TJHUCKER]

Seabass if you get this wrong kiss PES SIONARA[/b]

Penalties in real life are scored lets say 8/10. Why an earth did you put a wierd camera angle in pes 2010? and add a slider bar in 2011.

SEABASS keep the camera angle as normal ( penalty taker facing Goalkeeper, third person view )
DO NOT put a slider bar for penalties, just aim and shoot along with holding a direction. The power should be based on the time shoot is held down and the curl/movement of the ball should depend on the length of time the direction on D-Pad is held down.

If anything needs to have a silly mini slider it's only freekicks as freekicks should be hard to score but penalties should be very easy only way of saving them is if the goalkeeper guessed the right direction to dive 1st ( real life )

My advise SEABASS take the silly slider bar out of pes for penalties else suffer another calamity James type of Own Goal

[aznash]

As you all know the penalty kicks in pes 2010 are terrible...

Just make it less oversensitive.

Maybe you can add a tutorial on penalty kicks teaching players how to kick instead of the basic training.

[alussine]

Following Adam's article earlier, i thought I would repost my suggesting from around this time last year regarding penalties. I know I for one would prefer them to stay as they are rather than go back to how they were on the N64.

We all know that penalties are a lottery and that is made even more evidently so on PES2010. There seems to be no continuity as to where the pens go ie one pen you can have the ball go horribly wide whereas the next pen will barely go in the corner.

Thus I have come up with a solution and it doesn't include the target system implemented on the Wii version (or N64). These are as follows;

(note I have a PS3 so all buttons are for that console as I dont know 360 config)

1) Using different buttons for a different type of penalty. Eveyone knows on FIFA you can chip it, place it, power it etc so why can't PES do this? FIFA use the top buttons for this but if your playing multiplayer offline then the person sat next to you can see if your using L1 R1 etc. Instead, why not use (for example) square for a normal pen, circle for a sidefooted pen, triangle for a power shot and x for a dink. We need this variety.

2) The Goalkeepers need to be able to move more freely before the ball is struck. It currently feels a bit forced and stiff at the minute. Also, keepers should be able to move as the player runs up to strike the ball.

3) We all know that players run up to the ball differently. C.Ronaldo stops, starts and stops about ten times before he strikes the ball How about using L2/R2 to shimmy and try and trick the goalkepper into diving before the ball is struck? The better technique of the player the better the chance of him scoring ie Ronaldo more likely to score like this than Metzelder.

4) This one is a bit daft but would be a nice incusion. How about using the right analogue stick before the pen to look at a certain corner/direction thus trying to again trick the goalkeeper.

5) The goalkeepers should be able to flick out a leg/arm instinctively if the ball is near them. We have all had penalties on PES where we thought we had saved but the ball has trickled under the keeper. How about being able to dive as usual with the left stick, but we could flick the right stick instinctively if we've dived too far/not high enough/not far enough in the corner and attempt to save instead of watching the ball sail past

This is my list. If anyone has any other ideas feel free to add them.

Regards

PES 2011 Penalties needs further improvements and styles.